I'm walking on sunshine. The fact is the higher the prices, the less people
drive, the less carbon dioxide emissions there are. Also a stronger push for
hybrids and electric cars is being created.
Melymays banner 1 1/2.
Yothsothgoths first banner 1 1/2
Yothsothgoths second banner 2
Congratulations Yothsothgoth you got first place, Melymay you tied for second
place with yothsothgoths second banner. You both worked hard and they will
represent the group well.
I ask the winner and runner(s) up to place there banners on the group page in
the banners section in order of who was first and second( not too hard is
it).
Also if anyone is interested in making a layout for the group contact
me.
On top of this if you have a tip just for being healthier to the environment
just post it in the group guest book, it's a good conversation starter.
Last but not least we have a new Member.
Shinsengumi89
Alex Split his vote, that is why there is the 1/2 present..
Hmm it seems that yothsothgoth hasn't had the time to place her banner on the
thread... Well i'll wait for another day, if not, then you win by default
melymay....
Quote: im sorry to say such things
but....what are you smoking?Of course I read the bible!you sure you didnt get
mixed up with something else?If indeed i did say that,then i must have been
drugged or something because i do and have read the
bible.
......
On to my own thoughts, on what little i know of the two religions, i personally
believe that Islam and Christianity(if you are to compare their actions, and
some of their beliefs pertaining to certain groups of people, the way both
groups have "defended" their religion" and how each is acts
toward the other, i believe each is highly similar.
Quote by kingray100I think that
Christianity is totally different from Islamic beliefs...I recently did a little
research on this and I found out that Muhammed supposably did miracles that were
very similar to Jesus' miracles....but the entire Quran doesnt mention Muhammed
doing any miracles at all....in fact he would tell people that he refused to do
miracles.Also most of the people who wrote about mohammed were about 100-200
years later,making the entire subject seem questionable,seeing as they said they
know about mohammed's miracles,considering none were ever mentioned...But thats
all i wanted to say...i just wanted to separate the
two.
I think we see the overwhelming support goes to Science(if you look up at the
poll), i think the best thing to do fellow Atheists is to just "fold our
cards" in this debate, it's the most logical thing to do.
Next i will post the definition of religion, and the definition of belief. I
will do this Using two separate dictionary sites, to prove that your statements
on this subject are incorrect.
I will only do this if you still say that Atheists are members of a Religion.
I will also post the definition of a secular humanist.
I'd just like to add,
1. that Atheisim is not a religion.
2. Not all Atheists feel evolution is fact, and evolution is a process not the
origin.
3. Not all Atheists feel" that we go to dirt".
4. Atheists may Agree with Secular Humanistic Values. "Saying anything
goes" is not what some Atheists may say.
Quote by priincessomg....
Jesus died n then went to heaven, those r in da bible. then, He said that it's
the only true way for us, He sent da bible by His prophets so that we can learn
more bout Him. He wont give wrong way to us. thats y we should accept the bible
as our belief.
sorry, but i know nothing bout the jew..
You do realize that Jesus was a Jew himself, don't you?
By the way, Jesus did not send us the Bible. The Bible is a collection of
separate and individual books written by different people at different times for
different purposes. Realize that the 39 books of the Old Testament (46 if you're
Catholic) were all written well before Jesus's life time, and that when you read
the Old Testament, you're actually reading the Jewish Bible because they are the
same thing.
Thanks EternalParadox for Clarifying that for them.
Off Note:
You know when i went to Catholic school, they taught me that, it's just
surprising how many people I've met don't know that Jesus was a Jew.
I'm back From Canada, as to the Contest i really hope those who said they were
going to participate in the contest hold up to their promises.
As i said the Contest would end at the month of August, and that is soon
approaching, now if there are little (meaning 1) to no entries then the contest
will be canceled.
Quote by kingray100
well since you guys are professionals who argue against religion, i thought you
knew some of the evidence on religion's side.I give you an easy example.They
already proved that a man named Jesus was born and that he died later in his
life.The Jews who also doubt some of the exact things in the bible back in the
time described Jesus as a sorcerer that led Israel astray,saying that he worked
miracles (probably against their wishes).Not only that but scientists are
finding much more on religion.If you dont find this to be useful,then look it up
yourself.Its simple stuff,really.
I must ask out of human curiosity where do you get your information?, because if
it's sooooo easy to find post a few links.
And even though this has gotten off topic, it doesn't matter if there was a
Jesus or not, I'm sure at least more then one person could be named
Jesus.
On top of this those "Jews" who you talk badly about, are the reason
why your religion exists.
Again Science is more important, i don't even have to give a link because the
only reason were having this debate is because of Science.
Quote by priincessfor wut i know, read
n believe, God can do anything bcoz he's perfect! dont think that He's the same
as u, who can n cant do something.
Ummm...... yeah, no, i mean.
I think you have missed the point that humans can't comprehend what perfect is
so therefor God as in the Christian terms is either impossible or
imperfect.
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Quote by priincess
that's a narrow-minded, alex
bcoz u want reasons for anything, so that u can believe. wut He thinks isnt the
same as us, that's why we cant alwayz understand wut He does for
us.
Yes i think reasons are a good thing don't you? Without reasons i could go up to
someone and kill them, and i wouldn't be questioned.
And you assume God is a he, if god is omnipresent/ominpowerful then the term he
would be irrelevant and incorrect, because the term he would mean God would have
too mate correct? or would have to have been born of something. Therefor making
God not omnipowerful or omnipresent.
The only thing that a God at this time is born of is of humans themselves. If
there is a God we don't know of it, or comprehend it.
Quote by EternalParadoxPeople deny
evolution because of they hold misconceptions about what the theory of evolution
claims. Religious conservatives argue that evolution leaves out the existence of
God as the Creator, when in fact evolutionary theory makes absolutely no claims
about where life comes from, only how it changes over time.
Evolution and God are not mutually necessarily mutually
exclusive.
I agree they aren't mutually exclusive, and i don't see evolution in and of
itself disproving the existence of god. My main guess would be that religious
conservatives may feel that because it is not mentioned in the bible then
therefor it is wrong or heinous.
ON THE SUBJECT ITSELF
I personally may not believe in God, and i do know that Evolution is a fact,
though my issue is that it was skipped over in almost all of my science classes.
So i had to go out and teach myself a bit. Others i have talked to believe that
scientists haven't come to a conclusion on this, or that science is just another
religion basically.
Well lets see I'm a member on my Cities Tree and Beautification Commitie, it is
a volunteer position, though a city of 10,000 and only about 6 people volunteer
to actually do something.
I do it because it helps the environment, and we really don't get gratification
for it, because well lets say most of the cities citizens don't even know we
have already planted a few hundred trees, and that were getting ready to build
an arboretum.
So i do it because i think its a good thing to do, i don't get gratification for
it.
Quote by KingrayI think differently.If
religion was never there,there would be chaos and antipathy everywhere and there
would be fewer good morales about anything.The armageddon mentioned in the bible
would have already be taking place if it wasnt for the stability religion
created.To tell the truth,life would be empty with no
religion
Do you know what humanitarian views are ? Do you know what a Secular humanist is
? Because all you described was anarchy....And a Secular Humanist State does not
create Anarchy.
And it's already been proven that life is not empty without religion... Isaac
Asimov is just one example of that, as am I and Alex. You contradict reality and
Persist in delusion.
I don't mind that you believe in your God. but when you contradict reality
itself, and offend my views by saying that Armageddon would happen without
religon, and try to convert me, i do mind that.
Again i Choose Science, it again as i have pointed out gives you the ability to
have this conversation.
When i said Moon i meant pictures of it the ability to grasp it and see it close
up, it was basically a metaphor for the ability to see the cosmos.
As to me giving Religion credit, this is about all your going to get.
:me giving religion credit:
Yes of course religion has done "good", but with humanistic views we
would all be a lot better off, we would be without dogma, rules that are
discriminatory, and most of all we would progress at a rate never before seen by
mankind.
I'm walking on sunshine. The fact is the higher the prices, the less people drive, the less carbon dioxide emissions there are. Also a stronger push for hybrids and electric cars is being created.
Melymays banner 1 1/2.
Yothsothgoths first banner 1 1/2
Yothsothgoths second banner 2
Congratulations Yothsothgoth you got first place, Melymay you tied for second place with yothsothgoths second banner. You both worked hard and they will represent the group well.
I ask the winner and runner(s) up to place there banners on the group page in the banners section in order of who was first and second( not too hard is it).
Also if anyone is interested in making a layout for the group contact me.
On top of this if you have a tip just for being healthier to the environment just post it in the group guest book, it's a good conversation starter.
Last but not least we have a new Member.
Shinsengumi89
Alex Split his vote, that is why there is the 1/2 present..
Hmm wow, well i'm glad people have started to vote, though ifothers don't vote i'll close it. And i'll declare the winner.
Hmm it seems that yothsothgoth hasn't had the time to place her banner on the thread... Well i'll wait for another day, if not, then you win by default melymay....
......
On to my own thoughts, on what little i know of the two religions, i personally believe that Islam and Christianity(if you are to compare their actions, and some of their beliefs pertaining to certain groups of people, the way both groups have "defended" their religion" and how each is acts toward the other, i believe each is highly similar.
Shinsen89
Your avoiding the direct question...But we know you haven't read it, because you said in an earlier thread that you didn't even read the bible.
I'm glad you can use quotes, it does help
Did you read The Koran?
The Contest has ended and unless someone would like an extension to the deadline it's voting time!
So I'm going to ask the Contestants to please post there entries on this thread!
Vote Now or be struck down by a hurricane(evil laugh)
I particularly want to thank melymay and yothsothgoth for there involvement.
Shinsengumi89
I agree with all of Alex's statements on this one.
Merriam Webster is one of the leading Dictionaries. Definition of Religion-
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=religion
Here is a comparison of how Christianity is called a Religion and how an Atheist is not called a follower of a Religion.
Definition of Atheist-
http://m-w.com/dictionary/Atheist
Definition of Christianity-
http://m-w.com/dictionary/Christianity
If needed i will keep giving more links. Something you have failed to do.
I think we see the overwhelming support goes to Science(if you look up at the poll), i think the best thing to do fellow Atheists is to just "fold our cards" in this debate, it's the most logical thing to do.
Though Wikipedia is not great, heres a non biased explanation of Atheisim, so that you can understand Kingray, i also posted the link on your page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheists
Next i will post the definition of religion, and the definition of belief. I will do this Using two separate dictionary sites, to prove that your statements on this subject are incorrect.
I will only do this if you still say that Atheists are members of a Religion.
I will also post the definition of a secular humanist.
Also Buddhists are Atheists in their own sense. They do not have a god.
So maybe you should compare Secular Humanism to Christianity.
I'd just like to add,
1. that Atheisim is not a religion.
2. Not all Atheists feel evolution is fact, and evolution is a process not the origin.
3. Not all Atheists feel" that we go to dirt".
4. Atheists may Agree with Secular Humanistic Values. "Saying anything goes" is not what some Atheists may say.
Shinsengumi89
Thanks EternalParadox for Clarifying that for them.
Off Note:
You know when i went to Catholic school, they taught me that, it's just surprising how many people I've met don't know that Jesus was a Jew.
As many as you want. 3 or lower would be good though, and don't worry , i don't have any graphics talent.
Hey All,
I'm back From Canada, as to the Contest i really hope those who said they were going to participate in the contest hold up to their promises.
As i said the Contest would end at the month of August, and that is soon approaching, now if there are little (meaning 1) to no entries then the contest will be canceled.
Don't forget to be active!
Peace out All
I must ask out of human curiosity where do you get your information?, because if it's sooooo easy to find post a few links.
And even though this has gotten off topic, it doesn't matter if there was a Jesus or not, I'm sure at least more then one person could be named Jesus.
On top of this those "Jews" who you talk badly about, are the reason why your religion exists.
Again Science is more important, i don't even have to give a link because the only reason were having this debate is because of Science.
Shinsengumi89
Hello All!
The group will have a new layout soon! And a contest is in the "works"!
We are interested in your opinion in what the new layout should look like so just drop by and comment!
Shinsengumi89
Ummm...... yeah, no, i mean.
I think you have missed the point that humans can't comprehend what perfect is so therefor God as in the Christian terms is either impossible or imperfect.
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Yes i think reasons are a good thing don't you? Without reasons i could go up to someone and kill them, and i wouldn't be questioned.
And you assume God is a he, if god is omnipresent/ominpowerful then the term he would be irrelevant and incorrect, because the term he would mean God would have too mate correct? or would have to have been born of something. Therefor making God not omnipowerful or omnipresent.
The only thing that a God at this time is born of is of humans themselves. If there is a God we don't know of it, or comprehend it.
I agree they aren't mutually exclusive, and i don't see evolution in and of itself disproving the existence of god. My main guess would be that religious conservatives may feel that because it is not mentioned in the bible then therefor it is wrong or heinous.
ON THE SUBJECT ITSELF
I personally may not believe in God, and i do know that Evolution is a fact, though my issue is that it was skipped over in almost all of my science classes. So i had to go out and teach myself a bit. Others i have talked to believe that scientists haven't come to a conclusion on this, or that science is just another religion basically.
Shinsengumi89
Well lets see I'm a member on my Cities Tree and Beautification Commitie, it is a volunteer position, though a city of 10,000 and only about 6 people volunteer to actually do something.
I do it because it helps the environment, and we really don't get gratification for it, because well lets say most of the cities citizens don't even know we have already planted a few hundred trees, and that were getting ready to build an arboretum.
So i do it because i think its a good thing to do, i don't get gratification for it.
Do you know what humanitarian views are ? Do you know what a Secular humanist is ? Because all you described was anarchy....And a Secular Humanist State does not create Anarchy.
And it's already been proven that life is not empty without religion... Isaac Asimov is just one example of that, as am I and Alex. You contradict reality and Persist in delusion.
I don't mind that you believe in your God. but when you contradict reality itself, and offend my views by saying that Armageddon would happen without religon, and try to convert me, i do mind that.
Again i Choose Science, it again as i have pointed out gives you the ability to have this conversation.
Shinsengumi89
Well put Alex.
On another note.
When i said Moon i meant pictures of it the ability to grasp it and see it close up, it was basically a metaphor for the ability to see the cosmos.
As to me giving Religion credit, this is about all your going to get.
:me giving religion credit:
Yes of course religion has done "good", but with humanistic views we would all be a lot better off, we would be without dogma, rules that are discriminatory, and most of all we would progress at a rate never before seen by mankind.
Shinsengumi89